chrisw77's Journal, 01 Nov 19

How do you know your bf has gone up? Are you just 'miring your moobs- or using one of the scales that ultimately don't work well... which I want to purchase regardless. LOL  

Sorry about the whole milk suggestion, although it's better for you. Checkout the list of ingredients in 1% milk as compared to whole milk. 

Yea, the body won't burn fat until it's finished burning that glycogen from your carbs. Kinda a catch-22. Lots of carbs for great fuel, the body prefers to hold onto the fat. 

RgaDawg, where are you getting that? If that were true, I'd never lose fat. 

Well, worded wrong. Probably should say, as long as there's available glycogen around muscles & in liver from carb loading (Sugars, 294 gm), the body "prefers" to burn that and save more of the fat for reserve fuel. Didn't mean to imply the body "won't" burn fat as well, just not the body's preferred method of fueling itself. Burning fat is the body's second fuel source, back-up, not preferred. At least that's what I understand from Keto theory.  

And thus, it begins... 

Yeah, that theory is wrong. Glycogen is used during strenuous work or prolonged moderate work. Fat is will always be lost in a deficit. 

Bodybuilders get really lean via deficit alone, they don't even add cardio until late into their prep. A 1 hour lifting session is nowhere near enough to deplete glycogen enough to have it anywhere near empty when you have a 45-60% carb intake which is pretty common for dieters. 

"Allllll good👍" As you said! 😁 I've got a coupon for Victoria secret for you should your composition become a worry. 😁  

.. Fat is will always be lost in a deficit.. Chris' calendar doesn't show a deficit, which probably makes my point. He's carbo-loading. A deficit triggers the body's back up fuel, fat storage, which makes your point. A carbo loaded surplus, indicates that available carbs aren't being totally burned up, and after the liver holds onto them for 24 hrs, the body converts remaining glycogen to fat storage... adding the whole milk, cashews, and other fats has caused my bodyfat % to go up this week. Higher fats, unused glycogen stored as fats = bodyfat % to go up this week.. 

@Diablo. Look at his carbs, sugar alone is 300 gm, starches (complex carbs) are another 269 gm. That's a serious amount of workout-exercise to burn 569 gm Net Carbs. He's not burning it. It's getting stored as weight (fat), raising body weight fat content %, then he's adding 118 gm of fat on top of that.  

.. Which means, the 6 lb gain over 10 days, was not all lean mass = caused my bodyfat % to go up this week, his point. 

I'm tapping out ** Maybe ** 400 gm in an intense 2 hr Ride, then burning another 30 - 60 gm p/hr, if I slow down and take in another 3 hours riding. https://www.bicycling.com/health-nutrition/a20032965/everything-you-need-to-know-about-glycogen/ 

You need a calorie surplus to gain fat. Even if you don't burn through all of your glycogen, you can lose fat. You could have nothing but table sugar and lose fat in a deficit. We can store 2000 calories of pure glycogen, it doesn't need to be depleted for your body to use fat stores. I've averaged 400-450 grams of carbs in the last 5 months and have gotten significantly leaner. 

How it all works: "1.Carbs are rarely converted to fat and stored as such 2.When you eat more carbs you burn more carbs and less fat; eat less carbs and you burn less carbs and more fat 3.Protein is basically never going to be converted to fat and stored as such 4. When you eat more protein, you burn more protein (and by extension, less carbs and less fat); eat less protein and you burn less protein (and by extension, more carbs and more fat) 5. Ingested dietary fat is primarily stored, eating more of it doesn’t impact on fat oxidation to a significant degree" 

https://bodyrecomposition.com/fat-loss/how-we-get-fat.html/ 

And no, I am not arguing that he is not gaining fat, anyone in a surplus will gain some. More lifting with a proper amount of protein to minimize it. Keto would not be a good way to bulk. A higher percentage of the gain will be fat. 

.. You need a calorie surplus to gain fat.. exactly, Chris' Oct calendar shows an avg. +1,000 cal surplus... .Carbs are rarely converted to fat .. I would add, in a deficit. If I ate nothing but 6,000 cals of sugar p/day, I'm going to gain weight, unless I'm exercising like superman, and it's not going to be lean muscle weight, it's going to be my fat cells storing fuel. I think your "How It All works" assumes a deficit, not a surplus. I would like to see some info on that though, if those rules apply to both deficit and surplus, equally. 

Carbohydrates are rarely converted to fat (a process called de novo lipogenesis) under normal dietary conditions. There are exceptions when this occurs. One is with massive chronic overfeeding of carbs. I’m talking 700-900 grams of carbs per day for multiple days. Under those conditions, carbs max out glycogen stores, are in excess of total daily energy requirements and you see the conversion of carbohydrate to fat for storage. But this is not a normal dietary situation for most people. 

.. Your article makes the point I was speaking to.