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It's that time of the year to share an amazing article again.
https://weightology.net/insulin-an-undeserved-bad-reputation/
"MYTH: Carbohydrate Drives Insulin, Which Drives Fat Storage
FACT: Your Body Can Synthesize and Store Fat Even When Insulin Is Low
One of the biggest misconceptions regarding insulin is that it's needed for fat storage. It isn't. Your body has ways to store and retain fat even when insulin is low. For example, there is an enzyme in your fat cells called hormone-sensitive lipase (HSL). HSL helps break down fat. Insulin suppresses the activity of HSL, and thus suppresses the breakdown of fat. This has caused people to point fingers at carbohydrate for causing fat gain.
However, fat will also suppress HSL even when insulin levels are low. This means you will be unable to lose fat even when carbohydrate intake is low, if you are overeating on calories. If you ate no carbohydrate but 5,000 calories of fat, you would still be unable to lose fat even though insulin would not be elevated. This would be because the high fat intake would suppress HSL. This also means that, if you're on a low carbohydrate diet, you still need to eat less calories than you expend to lose weight.
Now, some people might say, "Just try and consume 5000 calories of olive oil and see how far you get." Well, 5000 calories of olive oil isn't very palatable so of course I won't get very far. I wouldn't get very far consuming 5,000 calories of pure table sugar either."
There is MUCH more at the link including a part 2. If nothing else, the myths and facts are good to skim.
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Yes, heavy eating tends to have a gain effect. I've been just studying about what happens in caloric restriction and how if your calories come from carbs, it can block fat breakdown due to insulin even in negative caloric intake. All that to say, that indeed a body is a complex system, way more complex than the physics mantra of calorie is a calorie. Keep the educational stuff coming. 👍
02 Nov 21 by member: yohoyoh
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Actually that hypothesis has been debunked several times over. You still need a calorie surplus to gain body tissue. This link refutes it as well.
02 Nov 21 by member: -Diablo
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I think the thing with carbs be it mostly refined sugars is that it spikes your insulin levels pretty high so that it could bring your blood sugars back down thereby store them as fat. And when your blood sugars get back down it sends hunger signals for you to eat more. Not all carbs are bad, complex carbs are slow digesting so keeps you energized for longer and doesn’t spike insulin as bad as table sugars or a can of soda or donuts
02 Nov 21 by member: Supergainz1
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More myths. You can't store fat in a calorie deficit. The insulin spikes but you still need a calorie surplus to store more fat than you started the day with. Try reading the article, then post.
02 Nov 21 by member: -Diablo
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In a way, people who believe this are putting simple carbs on a pedestal. We need fat to remain alive. By saying that despite a deficit, carbs cause fat gain from thin air, you're not only claiming they are magical but you're saying they can save lives in third world countries where people are dying of hunger. Just give them a 150 calorie Twinkie and they won't lose any more weight. 1500 calories of sugar is equal to 2500 calories of bacon. That's not how it works.
02 Nov 21 by member: -Diablo
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I'm not sure we as Americans take into account that most of our simple carbs are after our daily intake. it's not the carbs it's that we consume snacks and desserts after our daily intakes. big problem for my family. every meal with my parents is cake and ice cream or some other such treat after.
02 Nov 21 by member: HeBrewZ
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I did read it. Maybe you should try reading my comment? I said it spikes insulin so the insulin will store your excess blood sugar levels and once that drops it makes you hungry so you tend to eat more. If you eat 1000 calories of donuts vs 1000 calories of complex carbs or fats. You will stay full longer from the complex carbs or fats which in turn you will tend to eat less. Now if you are mentally strong and can stick to your calories then I agree with you that they are the same. 1000 calories of sugar is the same as 1000 calories of fat.
02 Nov 21 by member: Supergainz1
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My bad, agreed, superman, I was going by this from your post, "mostly refined sugars is that it spikes your insulin levels pretty high so that it could bring your blood sugars back down thereby store them as fat." Which makes it sound like insulin spikes will make fat be stored regardless of calories. Since you cleared it up, we are on the same page.
02 Nov 21 by member: -Diablo
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Hebrews for sure. The need for each meal to have a dessert is a big problem, especially for people who don't track calories. I know processed foods high in fat and sugar are very easy to overeat.
02 Nov 21 by member: -Diablo
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I did manage to read some of the article and it's myth busting is left wanting. For one, a meal with no carbs will not spike your insulin. You can eat your stomach full of fat and protein, no spike. Only after you introduce carbs to the mix does insulin spike. I do have to admit this article does have going for it the fact that it tries to include science to back some of it's claims. Hence, educational, even if it's conclusions might be odd. The main point the article was set out to make, that insulin is not the bad guy, that is 100% dead on. Insulin is not the bad guy. The constant hammering of the body with raised insulin due to nonstop carb loading, that's the bad guy. Insulin is just trying to manage the abuse we give our bodies.
02 Nov 21 by member: yohoyoh
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I'd say the bad guy is eating too many calories getting obese and staying obese for decades.
02 Nov 21 by member: -Diablo
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02 Nov 21 by member: C4co.op2
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I'm talking health wise. Long term obesity is the "bad guy". It's a figure of speech.
02 Nov 21 by member: -Diablo
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In my experience, the number of calories I eat each day is what impacts my weight, not what they're made up of and not what time of day I consume them.
03 Nov 21 by member: shirfleur 1
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