TDX00's Journal, 04 Jun 23

There are quite a few people in my life who are very obese, just as I was; friends, family, colleagues, etc. They've all seen me drop 40kg+ over the past 10 months or so, and all have commented on how impressed they are with my progress. Immediately after these graciously received complements, they either go on to tell me that they need to start a diet, or that they're on a diet too. They all have two things in common. They all seem genuinely concerned about their weight issues, and none of them want to hear any advice on dieting from me whatsoever.

It's not like I going around dishing out unsolicited advice - I keep my mouth zipped and wait for them to ask how I did it, though they simply never ask. They genuinely don't want to know.

For those who tell me they're on a diet, I will always ask what kind of diet they're on - I genuinely DO want to know. Every single time, they whip out their phone and show me the random dieting app that's been helping them fail to lose weight for however long, and every single time I immediately spot massive red flags. It's at this point that I feel the NEED to gingerly, delicately, tactfully dish out some wisdom of experience, though it's always very clear that my carefully delivered concerns fall on deaf ears. They already know everything, and the last thing they need is advice from the guy who has pulled off what they've been failing to do for fuck knows how long.

Today I took my young son to his cousin's birthday party. Long story short, and closely flowing the patterns described above, I learned that my cousin's partner is following an app-based diet plan of three-fucking-thousand calories a day! They bloke already weighs like 125kg, he's perfectly fucking round, does zero exercise (not essential, though might've justified the absurd calorie intake), and he seemed genuinely bewildered that he hasn't been losing weight even though he's been near-perfectly following the meal plans the app spits out for the past two months. Well what could I say but, "Oh wow, I could never lose weight on 3,000 calories a day - I'm only on half that! That's gotta be some kind of body-builder's diet, right!?" Rather than take the hint, he just defended the diet plan - some bullshit about the app using science-based research to design meals that blah blah blah... With the possible exception of a ketogenic diet, 3,000 calories of the healthiest meals on Earth is still 3,000 calories. He will not lose weight.

A bloke at work thinks he can solve his weight problem by throwing expensive technologies at it. He pays something like $40/month for a fancy health-tracking/calorie counting app, he wears a fancy fitness tracker around his waist that feeds all sort of data back into the app, and he even has a fancy bluetooth-enabled water bottle that tells the app how much water he drinks. Utterly pointless, all of it, because it's clear that he's not actually counting the calories he eats. He LOVES going on about all the things this fancy shit can do, though when I ask if if it's been helping him lose weight, all he has to offer is excuses. The bloke has lost no weight in the year I've known him. He's not putting in the work. Unless they invent a robot that can slap GyG breakfast burritos out of your hands, he will not lose weight.

My sister and her husband are (now) the two largest people in my family, and I care about them a great deal. They're some of the nicest people you could ever hope to meet. Nothing would make me happier than to see them lose some weight, because I want them to stick around long enough to see their two young daughters (my nieces) grow in to young women, who I fully expect to also become some of the nicest people who could ever hope to meet. When we all caught up a few weeks ago, my bother-in-law complimented my progress then told me that he and my sister were on a new diet - another mobile app, which focused on eating healthy foods with no real consideration to quantity. Further probing revealed that he had no real appreciation for how integral a calorie deficit was to fat loss. Because I genuinely cared about his health, I bent my personal rules on unsolicited advice and simply recommended that he just double-check how many calories he is eating in a day - you know, just in case. He feigned agreement, but it was clear he had no intention of doing so. He either believed that simply eating healthy was going to be enough, or that eating healthy meals was the limit to which he would go for his weight loss goals. He will not lose weight, and worst case scenario, I have to walk my God-daughter down the aisle at her wedding.

I'm not claiming to be a dieting expert here - I am most certainly not, not even close! To paraphrase Plato's account of Socrates, "I know that I know nothing". BUT... what I do have is experience. I know how to design and implement complex audio visual control systems because I've been doing it half my life, I know which songs will get people off their arses and on to the dance floor at a party because I spent the other half of my life DJ'ing school dances, weddings, birthdays... and I know how to lose a kilo of fat because I've done it over 40 times in the past year. It seems that an interested person with no experience would eagerly take my advice on AV system design, or even what the final song should be on their wedding playlist, but when it comes to dieting, everyone is already a fucking expert.
94.8 kg Lost so far: 43.5 kg.    Still to go: 4.8 kg.    Diet followed: Reasonably Well.

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727 kcal Fat: 30.20g | Prot: 30.70g | Carbs: 76.30g.   Breakfast: Coles Large Soft White Wraps, Coles American BBQ Slaw Kit, Thomson's Deli Short Cut Rindless Bacon. more...
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03 Jun 23 by member: spicehorn
So sad that others cant see what we see due to this amazing community... my son is over 125kg and without "preaching" I have tried to suggest he look at this site, but no he doesn't...I guess he is not "ready" yet......I do feel that losing weight and starting a diet,, starts with a mental decision/commitment..not a half hearted I must lose weight, when you get into the right mindset the determination comes forth, and success soon follows...along with ups and downs..... it is not a quick fix..but a life change which took me bloody 70 years to get here...but here I am giving it my best shot with the help of people like you that inspire me to keep at it, hopefully the others in your life will eventually see the light and come to you for help...onwards and downwards my FS friend, expert or no expert you are doing so so well 
03 Jun 23 by member: flossyflu
So true and very frustrating.  
03 Jun 23 by member: Justagirlinoz
So true! I never thought this was a thing until I experienced it myself.. Also I have lost a fair amount of weight, and keeping it off.. The only people who seem to be interested are the ones who don't need to lose weight. If I mention it to someone who really needs the information, they tend to just change the subject and it gets awkward. With so many garbage diets and fads people are wasting time on and failing at, its just plain weird when these people aren't interested in advice from someone who has found a simple solution that works. 
04 Jun 23 by member: srsbsnss
Agree. It has to come from within for them to hop on a journey like this. Unless it is felt emotionally, people put this on the back burner. It's not as important as many other simple things for them. If you want to help, then you need to be able to show them the benefit of this at least 10x better than what they are going to forsake. We can see the benefit so easily but they can't see it. It's actually very unfortunate.  
04 Jun 23 by member: bestees.au
The problem is that we are all different. Different heights, hormones, ancestry, etc so a diet for one person may not work for another. I hate it when people ask me how I have lost weight. I tell them that I am a first born, alpha female Capricorn who is extremely focussed and determined. Good luck if you are not the same! 
04 Jun 23 by member: mials11
You're exactly right, and I think part of the problem is the "recommended calorie intake" is way too high, at least for me it is. And it really does boil down to the number of calories taken in ... whether they be via Keto diets or low-carb diets ... it's irrelevant, but it's where our personal preference takes hold. I cannot stand high-fat foods, and the low-carb works well for me. But yeh ... it's still the no. of calories, and it's still hard to make others understand. 
04 Jun 23 by member: EmmmCeee
Hi Missy.Who, I readily admit that I've been reacting to unsolicited weight-loss advice in much the same way over the past decade, though I guess I convinced myself that I didn't need it because I already knew what I needed to do, I just wasn't motivated enough to get it done. My plate was piled high with excuses (and KFC). The thing is, I already pulled off a weight-loss miracle once before, back in my mid 20s, when I calorie counted my way from 97kg down to 69kg in like 3-4 months. I didn't maintain and I let it all pile back on again, with an extra 40kg on top. I started and failed what must literally be hundreds of diets over the last decade. The reason this diet stuck was partially because I had the additional motivation of needing to keep up with my kids, but mostly because I was much smarter about it this time. Very early on, I used this journal to help me identify why my diets kept failing, and focused all my will power towards not making those specific mistakes. "If you know the enemy and know yourself, you need not fear the result of a hundred battles." You might get a kick out of my first few posts at the start of this diet. First post is 1st August 2022, on Page 10 of my journal history. To answer your question, I lost the weight through calorie counting, swearing a lot, walking, and eating one meal a day (OMAD). OMAD isn't for everybody, though I found it fit well into my extremely time-poor life. It also helped to define unbreakable rules about when I could and couldn't eat, which stopped snacking dead in its tracks. It sucked for the first 3-4 days, though I got used to it fairly quickly. I soon found it really helped out in a lot of other areas - alertness at work, stamina, mental clarity. When this diet ends, I expect I'll continue with some version of Intermittent Fasting (IF) for the rest of my life. I'm certainly not going to begrudge you going to a personal trainer, though I just want to remind you that exercise isn't strictly necessary for fat loss. Training is fucking hard work, and you may find it's not sustainable for you right now. If you can stick with it, that's fucking awesome! If not, don't get discouraged, and don't let it derail your diet. Exercise (especially cardio) will make you FEEL better and help you to restore some energy and stamina, though all that really matters for fat loss is your calorie deficit. If any of the personal trainer ding dongs on TikTok are to be believed, exercise accounts for very little of your Total Daily Energy Expenditure (TDEE) and a common mistake is to blow out your calorie budget because you think you've burned off enough calories to compensate, so watch out for that too. My last bit of unsolicited advice is to use this journal as often as you need to. The people here are very encouraging and many have a great deal of wisdom to offer from their own experiences. All the best on your weight-loss journey!  
04 Jun 23 by member: TDX00
I watched my daughter lose 30kg and yet it took me another couple of years and the threat of an early death for me to get my act together... I met up with an old mate recently and every time I see her she is heavier (just like I used to be), on more meds and becoming more incapacitated (ditto)... I nearly cried as she talked me through her latest health challenges and she politely listened while I shared what my life looks like now and how I've gotten my life back through loosing the weight (and little else)... She's not there yet... We can only stay focused on our own journeys, enjoy the rewards and love on our family and mates - wherever they are at... 
05 Jun 23 by member: lizpackard09
Yes! people don't like to take advise as they have been there before. And they probably do know all that your telling them. But the trouble is will power it is one of the hardest things to own .I've dieted for the last 60 years and i have been up and down the scales all my life. No one person is the same and no one way of eating will work for every one. I just want to say from my own experiences that its not only the body that needs to be focused on but also the mind. Most times over eating is due to some issue that's effecting their mental health in one way or another. I think being a little more compassionate towards people that have a weight problem listening to them and being genuinely helpful in other ways and being supportive will help. I also think as I need to do you cant go on a diet go off of it and return to your old ways of eating and expect to keep the weight off. It has to a life change; a way of life. And that is the hardest part of all. So for the umpteenth time I'm going to try again and hopefully get some results. 
05 Jun 23 by member: 59lynk
You have it in a nutshell there. I almost fell off my chair when I got to the bit about a robot that can slap GyG breakfast burritos out of your hands...!!! 
06 Jun 23 by member: emigree

     
 

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